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Predators Among Us
Warning: Contains information and descriptions that are unsuitable for minors. Parents, please use discretion. While screenshots have been edited to hide the faces of children involved and to black out nudity, there is still some content on some of them that are inappropriate for minors.
MM All,
As many of you know from a previous post about Online Safety, I have a couple of IP trackers set up on PACA. One of the reasons for this is to keep track of how people find PACA and surf in.
This is how I became aware of a PACA member who was also a member of several predator sites and child pornography sites that had been set up on the Ning platform, and is what prompted me to start the Campaign Ning" group. The member went by the name of "Dagmar". (WARNING: Do not click that link when children can view the screen as there may be inappropriate content on her Ning page.)
She was banned from PACA at that time for breaking PACA rules, as well as Ning ToS. While I had suspicions about her at that time, I didn't have any proof that she was a predator... at least none that would convince anyone who doesn't know what to look for. That's why I didn't post this discussion a lot sooner. But she was a member of a large number of the sites that were clearly adult in content, openly viewable to anyone (even minors), and many of them contained graphic pornography on the main page, member pages, in the photo galleries and the video galleries. Ning has, as of the start of this year, decided to no longer host adult sites, so each of those sites was reported to them.
Then I came across "Mums for teens Advice". A description from the reports I sent to Ning and NCMEC about this site:
"It's very obviously set up to attract teen girls to give them "motherly advice", but none of the members seem to be teens, many of the members have nude or partially nude photos up, and there are adult male members as well. It looks to be a predator site. Even some of the profile pictures break Ning's "Adult Content" rules."
The site was fairly quickly shut down because of the content, and still has the "maintenance" page up.
I reported that one at the beginning of May. Now, if someone were just looking at the name of the site, it seems like a good thing, and they may join and forget that they've joined, and maybe never check the content. So I gave her the benefit of the doubt. After the whole PaganSpace thing, I was worried that many of our members wouldn't appreciate a heads-up based just on suspicion and this one site. But I have been keeping an eye on her network list.
The next day, I came across a site called "Devil's Whore", of which she was a member, and on which she had just befriended a girl who didn't look a day over 14. She was friends with many of the minors on this site, some of whom had nude shots of themselves as their profile picture. Some of the kids on this site clearly broke Ning's ToS simply by being members, as they don't allow any members under the age of 13. Nearly every child member had been befriended by multiple adult members, who either left sexually suggestive comments or photos on their pages. Many of those adults had pornographic profile pictures, so each comment they left added that to the child's page, as well. Just to give you an idea:
As I said in the warning at the top of the page, I've blacked out all nudity and hidden faces of children. The network photo was particularly graphic fetish. One of the profile pictures on the listing was a full-frontal shot of a little girl, about 5 years old, nude on a beach. The profile for this listing said that they were "an incest family from Germany". The one next to it was a penis shot, and there were many of those left on the pages of children on that network. I didn't see one comment anywhere saying how inappropriate all this was.
And yet, one could still argue she didn't look at the content, that maybe she's just into fettishism and slutdom. Hey, to each their own, so long as they're not hurting anyone else, right? Only children were most definitely harmed in the making of some of the content of that site.
The same day, I found the "Naughty Girls Forum" through her list.
That site contained many of the same minors and adults as the "Devil's Whore" site, and again she had children on her "friends" list on that network.
Both sites were reported to NCMEC. Both now show as "Page Not Found" and "This network has been taken offline by it's owner". (Ning has assured me that this does not mean that they weren't able to save all the evidence needed by LE to track the predators on the site.)
The next day I found 2 more sites through her list:
kissed a girl, which I reported to NCMEC, but unfortunately slipped through the cracks for a while... but I kept an eye on it. The name of the site, together with the URL, was a dead giveaway, and though I couldn't view anything but the main page, there were many of the same child profile pictures as on the other two sites.
Girl and Boys, which also had many of the same members and inappropriate profile pictures. (Note that the URL, when you click on it, is "privatefotos.ning.com".)
I resubmitted my report to NCMEC and to Ning for the "kissed a girl" site a week later, when I saw that many of the members of the networks that had already been closed down had started posting child pornography there. 11 people had joined the network within a day. It could have been due to the fact that I reported 2 more sites (which where quickly shut down) just the day before:
bludbox.ning.com contained some of the worst, most graphic images I've seen to date, including a photo of an adult man having intercourse with a little boy. I was pretty shaken after finding this particular site.
http://babygirls69.ning.com/ seemed to be mainly a GL (Girl Love) site, and had photos of preteen girls in "sexy poses" and exposing private body parts or nude.
Then yesterday I found three more, again through Dagmar's list. Two of these were even worse than the "bludbox" site, horrible, nightmare inducing content:
lilsissiboys... as you can see from the screenshot below, they even add a description of what the site is about that is completely unmistakable... "for lovers of little girly sissy boys".
And in case that one is too small to read, here's a screenshot of the header:
And their member badge is even worse:
It says, "I'm a member of lilsissyboys: post pics and vids of
boys dressed like little sluts, Young gay and sissy boys" (note the
capitalization of the "Y" in "Young", and also that Dagmar's picture shows up
first in the list of members on the badge).
The second site I found yesterday was "lilgirlluv", and the site description was "For all you little girl lovers"
There was CP (Child Porn) right there on the Ning listing. And the member badge?
It says, "I'm a member of lilgirlluv: post pics and vids of little girl sluts and angels".
Both of those sites had images of young children being made to do things that many adults wouldn't do, sexually degrading things. Both sites contained very graphic pornography involving children.
Now, how anyone could join either of those two sites and not know what they are is unimaginable. To see them and not report them is unforgivable. Ning had both sites shut down within 10 minutes of me emailing them the reports. The fact that Dagmar was a member of both of these sites is what convinced me to post about it, as a warning to our members. Many of our members have her on their friends list, and I'm sure that they don't realize what kind of a person she is. Many of you are also members of other Ning sites she is on, and you may want to consider sending off a warning to the owners of those sites, particularly if there are minors on them.
Just to give you an idea of what we're up against, the "lilsissyboys" site had 297 members when I reported it and the "lilgirlluv" site had 249. Now anyone who has started a Ning site will have a fair idea of the length of time it takes to get membership up that high. This can only mean one of two things... either the sites had been there for some time, and no one has reported them, or that the predators on Ning are incredibly well organized. The fact that they seemed to bounce from one site as it was closing to another site to post their abuse leads me to believe that it's the latter.
The third site I found yesterday was "your space to talk", with the description "I JUST MADE THIS SITE TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE TALK TO KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD!!WELL I HOPE YOU JOIN!!!!" Well, a lot of people did, and most of them were predators looking to hook up with kids. There were many people posting sexually suggestive and sexually graphic photos of children. Though I would have had to join the network to see just how bad it was, there was more than enough incriminating evidence to be found in the photo slideshow on the main page. It was also shut down within minutes of being reported to Ning and NCMEC.
And today, I found yet another one. When I started to type this post, and went to Dagmar's Ning page to copy the link, I noticed that she had befriended a young pre-teen girl who's profile photo was a full-frontal nude of herself. I followed that link to find that this girl had tons of teen and pre-teen "friends" with equally inappropriate photos, and was a member of "It's My Life [for girls]", which says it's "For all teenage and pre-teen girls!", but had many of the same adult predators I had seen on other CP networks, including this guy:
He really seems to like the GL sites (Girl Lover).
This site was much like the third site I found yesterday, and was shut down within minutes of being reported to Ning and NCMEC.
It seems that Ning has also gone through Dagmar's friends, as well as the friends of the pre-teen she had recently "friended", and cleaned up all the photos. Though I'm not sure if Ning or Dagmar removed Dagmar's photo... I'm glad I had it from her PACA profile before I banned her so that people could see that it was her.
I was going to post it in the Campaign Ning group, but decided that I'd like it to be seen by everyone, whether they're a member of that group or not. I will be linking it from there, but won't duplicate the information.
This discussion was particularly difficult for me to post, mainly because I had to go back and revisit all the information I had typed up to report those sites in the first place. But if anyone has any comments or questions, please feel free to post them or email me directly.
Blessings,
~ DodiaFae
MM All,
As many of you know from a previous post about Online Safety, I have a couple of IP trackers set up on PACA. One of the reasons for this is to keep track of how people find PACA and surf in.
This is how I became aware of a PACA member who was also a member of several predator sites and child pornography sites that had been set up on the Ning platform, and is what prompted me to start the Campaign Ning" group. The member went by the name of "Dagmar". (WARNING: Do not click that link when children can view the screen as there may be inappropriate content on her Ning page.)
She was banned from PACA at that time for breaking PACA rules, as well as Ning ToS. While I had suspicions about her at that time, I didn't have any proof that she was a predator... at least none that would convince anyone who doesn't know what to look for. That's why I didn't post this discussion a lot sooner. But she was a member of a large number of the sites that were clearly adult in content, openly viewable to anyone (even minors), and many of them contained graphic pornography on the main page, member pages, in the photo galleries and the video galleries. Ning has, as of the start of this year, decided to no longer host adult sites, so each of those sites was reported to them.
Then I came across "Mums for teens Advice". A description from the reports I sent to Ning and NCMEC about this site:
"It's very obviously set up to attract teen girls to give them "motherly advice", but none of the members seem to be teens, many of the members have nude or partially nude photos up, and there are adult male members as well. It looks to be a predator site. Even some of the profile pictures break Ning's "Adult Content" rules."
The site was fairly quickly shut down because of the content, and still has the "maintenance" page up.
I reported that one at the beginning of May. Now, if someone were just looking at the name of the site, it seems like a good thing, and they may join and forget that they've joined, and maybe never check the content. So I gave her the benefit of the doubt. After the whole PaganSpace thing, I was worried that many of our members wouldn't appreciate a heads-up based just on suspicion and this one site. But I have been keeping an eye on her network list.
The next day, I came across a site called "Devil's Whore", of which she was a member, and on which she had just befriended a girl who didn't look a day over 14. She was friends with many of the minors on this site, some of whom had nude shots of themselves as their profile picture. Some of the kids on this site clearly broke Ning's ToS simply by being members, as they don't allow any members under the age of 13. Nearly every child member had been befriended by multiple adult members, who either left sexually suggestive comments or photos on their pages. Many of those adults had pornographic profile pictures, so each comment they left added that to the child's page, as well. Just to give you an idea:
As I said in the warning at the top of the page, I've blacked out all nudity and hidden faces of children. The network photo was particularly graphic fetish. One of the profile pictures on the listing was a full-frontal shot of a little girl, about 5 years old, nude on a beach. The profile for this listing said that they were "an incest family from Germany". The one next to it was a penis shot, and there were many of those left on the pages of children on that network. I didn't see one comment anywhere saying how inappropriate all this was.
And yet, one could still argue she didn't look at the content, that maybe she's just into fettishism and slutdom. Hey, to each their own, so long as they're not hurting anyone else, right? Only children were most definitely harmed in the making of some of the content of that site.
The same day, I found the "Naughty Girls Forum" through her list.
That site contained many of the same minors and adults as the "Devil's Whore" site, and again she had children on her "friends" list on that network.
Both sites were reported to NCMEC. Both now show as "Page Not Found" and "This network has been taken offline by it's owner". (Ning has assured me that this does not mean that they weren't able to save all the evidence needed by LE to track the predators on the site.)
The next day I found 2 more sites through her list:
kissed a girl, which I reported to NCMEC, but unfortunately slipped through the cracks for a while... but I kept an eye on it. The name of the site, together with the URL, was a dead giveaway, and though I couldn't view anything but the main page, there were many of the same child profile pictures as on the other two sites.
Girl and Boys, which also had many of the same members and inappropriate profile pictures. (Note that the URL, when you click on it, is "privatefotos.ning.com".)
I resubmitted my report to NCMEC and to Ning for the "kissed a girl" site a week later, when I saw that many of the members of the networks that had already been closed down had started posting child pornography there. 11 people had joined the network within a day. It could have been due to the fact that I reported 2 more sites (which where quickly shut down) just the day before:
bludbox.ning.com contained some of the worst, most graphic images I've seen to date, including a photo of an adult man having intercourse with a little boy. I was pretty shaken after finding this particular site.
http://babygirls69.ning.com/ seemed to be mainly a GL (Girl Love) site, and had photos of preteen girls in "sexy poses" and exposing private body parts or nude.
Then yesterday I found three more, again through Dagmar's list. Two of these were even worse than the "bludbox" site, horrible, nightmare inducing content:
lilsissiboys... as you can see from the screenshot below, they even add a description of what the site is about that is completely unmistakable... "for lovers of little girly sissy boys".
And in case that one is too small to read, here's a screenshot of the header:
And their member badge is even worse:
It says, "I'm a member of lilsissyboys: post pics and vids of
boys dressed like little sluts, Young gay and sissy boys" (note the
capitalization of the "Y" in "Young", and also that Dagmar's picture shows up
first in the list of members on the badge).
The second site I found yesterday was "lilgirlluv", and the site description was "For all you little girl lovers"
There was CP (Child Porn) right there on the Ning listing. And the member badge?
It says, "I'm a member of lilgirlluv: post pics and vids of little girl sluts and angels".
Both of those sites had images of young children being made to do things that many adults wouldn't do, sexually degrading things. Both sites contained very graphic pornography involving children.
Now, how anyone could join either of those two sites and not know what they are is unimaginable. To see them and not report them is unforgivable. Ning had both sites shut down within 10 minutes of me emailing them the reports. The fact that Dagmar was a member of both of these sites is what convinced me to post about it, as a warning to our members. Many of our members have her on their friends list, and I'm sure that they don't realize what kind of a person she is. Many of you are also members of other Ning sites she is on, and you may want to consider sending off a warning to the owners of those sites, particularly if there are minors on them.
Just to give you an idea of what we're up against, the "lilsissyboys" site had 297 members when I reported it and the "lilgirlluv" site had 249. Now anyone who has started a Ning site will have a fair idea of the length of time it takes to get membership up that high. This can only mean one of two things... either the sites had been there for some time, and no one has reported them, or that the predators on Ning are incredibly well organized. The fact that they seemed to bounce from one site as it was closing to another site to post their abuse leads me to believe that it's the latter.
The third site I found yesterday was "your space to talk", with the description "I JUST MADE THIS SITE TO ENTERTAIN PEOPLE TALK TO KIDS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD!!WELL I HOPE YOU JOIN!!!!" Well, a lot of people did, and most of them were predators looking to hook up with kids. There were many people posting sexually suggestive and sexually graphic photos of children. Though I would have had to join the network to see just how bad it was, there was more than enough incriminating evidence to be found in the photo slideshow on the main page. It was also shut down within minutes of being reported to Ning and NCMEC.
And today, I found yet another one. When I started to type this post, and went to Dagmar's Ning page to copy the link, I noticed that she had befriended a young pre-teen girl who's profile photo was a full-frontal nude of herself. I followed that link to find that this girl had tons of teen and pre-teen "friends" with equally inappropriate photos, and was a member of "It's My Life [for girls]", which says it's "For all teenage and pre-teen girls!", but had many of the same adult predators I had seen on other CP networks, including this guy:
He really seems to like the GL sites (Girl Lover).
This site was much like the third site I found yesterday, and was shut down within minutes of being reported to Ning and NCMEC.
It seems that Ning has also gone through Dagmar's friends, as well as the friends of the pre-teen she had recently "friended", and cleaned up all the photos. Though I'm not sure if Ning or Dagmar removed Dagmar's photo... I'm glad I had it from her PACA profile before I banned her so that people could see that it was her.
I was going to post it in the Campaign Ning group, but decided that I'd like it to be seen by everyone, whether they're a member of that group or not. I will be linking it from there, but won't duplicate the information.
This discussion was particularly difficult for me to post, mainly because I had to go back and revisit all the information I had typed up to report those sites in the first place. But if anyone has any comments or questions, please feel free to post them or email me directly.
Blessings,
~ DodiaFae
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on -
It's likely that they'll just keep moving around until they can be tracked down by LE. Unfortunately, many of these predators are overseas (Dagmar is listed as being in Germany, and her IP showed the same.) I do know that when NCMEC checks into these things, they do make a note of where the perpetrators are from and report them accordingly. However, when the perpetrators are located outside the US, I expect that it takes a bit of time for the information to get to where it needs to go before it can be looked into.
I wouldn't ask anyone to do what I did, especially not to the extent that I did. This stuff is horrible to see... I was crying when I reported the more graphic sites. It really does mess with the heads of normal people to see stuff like that. And I really don't think it's anything that super-sensitive people should subject themselves to, especially those who are already dealing with things that deeply effect them. Hell, I probably shouldn't be doing it right now... that kind of stress can't be good for growing a baby.
There are so many other ways that people can help fight abuse, much healthier ways of directing one's energy.
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Permalink Reply by Rev Willow Raine on -
MM, Thankyou Dodia Fae for bringing this to our attention. Your work is so important and i so wish i had more time to help you. You have uncovered alot of stuff here and your ladder therory seems very solid. I believe I might join campaign Ning so I can at least be a voice supporting all the hard work you do.
Blessings, Rev Willow
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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Thank you, Rev Willow. As always, your support means a lot. The more voices the better!
To be honest, going out in search of this stuff isn't what I signed up for when I agreed to take over PACA... I was in it to spread awareness so that others could spot child abuse and help stop it. I didn't expect that I'd be digging through websites to report child pornography.
In the last month, or so, I've often stayed awake until I was too tired to keep my eyes open in order to avoid seeing those images. It's not something that's particularly healthy for a pregnant lady to be doing, and I really need to find some other way to deal with it than that.
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Permalink Reply by Leith Carnie on -
The only network Dagmar seems to be with now is the "talk to girls" site. Only 33 members so far and one inappropriate picture belonging to Jenny. She is 20 (so she says) so its not illegal, but still......
There are several older guys there, up to about 32yo and they have all befriended under-age girls.
This stuff just sickens me. I've gotta go blow off steam.
Good work Dodia, you have a stronger will than I!
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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That's the only network that she seems to have joined recently (that hasn't been closed down.)
http://www.ning.com/dagmar27/networks?page=1)
She's got something like 125 sites on her list.
Unfortunately, a lot of people don't seem to care that Ning allows members as young as 13 on their networks. I've lost count of the number of open porn sites I've reported to ning (not including the CP sites) because I don't believe that stuff should be made so readily available to minors. (To be perfectly honest, I think they're getting a bit tired of "DodiaFae, the Porn Police", though they have expressed gratitude when I've reported the CP sites.)
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Permalink Reply by Rob Taylor on -
Great expose, I checked out Dagmar's friends list and you can still get to child porn just by clicking a couple of her friends. Getting this stuff shut down is a victory, but the pedos are well organized. We have to be vigilant.
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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You're right, Rob. Got yet another site shut down last night through Dagmar's list.
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Though the stuff on the main page wasn't as graphic as some of the other sites, I did list a few names of some of the members I had seen on other sites in the report to Ning. Again, it was shut down in minutes. I suggested that they check into the site further, that I was sure there was more graphic CP elsewhere on the site, but that I didn't want to join a network like that in order to find out. It was shut down before I went to bed.
It's pretty sad when you start to notice the same faces on all the CP networks... It does bother me that they're still Ning members. Hopefully Ning and LE are keeping tabs on these people.
As for Dagmar's list of friends, many of their profile pics were CP. Many of those "kids" are likely adult pedophiles posting pictures of their victims.
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Permalink Reply by Louis on -
My dear DodiaFae, I sincerely hope you're not doing yourself a mischief going through all this. Like you say yourself, this can't be good for growing a baby.
This expose is worthy of prime time news. It's well written, well investigated, and very much to the point. IMHO, Ning should put you on their payroll for all the help you've been giving them.
That said, I'm humbled beyond words at your dedication to this cause and your effectiveness in achieving your goals.
Be well. Be safe.
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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I wanted to post an update to this story...
I've alerted the owners of each of the Ning sites that Dagmar and I held mutual memberships on. Of the 3 or 4 site owners I contacted, all but one has banned her from their site because they're more interested in member safety than member numbers.
I plan to send a follow-up email to the last site owner, just in case they haven't had a chance to receive the email.
If any of you are curious to see if you and this person are on any of the same Ning sites and maybe wish to let the owners of those sites know about this person, click the link above, and feel free to link this discussion in your email. Make sure you let them know that they don't have to join PACA to read this information, but that you wanted them to be aware of this predator on their site.
Also, I wanted to let everyone know that I've posted another discussion to bring more awareness to the ever-growing problems that we face when fighting pedophiles and their online networks, because most people just don't have a clue how bad this problem is. WARNING: Please don't click that link if you have children old enough to read in the room, if you're currently suffering from depression, or if you're a very sensitive person. The information there is shocking, even horrifying, but sometimes that is what people need in order to grasp the seriousness of a situation.
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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As much as I do this for my own children and for children in general, and gather strength from that, the support I get from friends like you means so much. Thank you. *HUGS*
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Permalink Reply by DodiaFae on
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A couple of updates:
Apparently, the owners of the fourth site that I alerted to Dagmar's presence are more interested in member numbers than member safety. The disturbing part of that is that their site appears upon first glance to be a site dedicated to the safety of missing children, elderly, and pets. You can read more at the link above, and see how the non-safety oriented sites (PaganMystics Community, iPeace, and The Witches' Garden) all cared more for member safety than member numbers (and expanding fund raising opportunities.)
The other update I wanted to share is that it seems that the international reporting system actually does work in a timely manner. If you click that link, you'll see the story of a mother in Maine, US, who was arrested on child porn charges after being tracked from Ireland through a case they were working on there. This makes me feel hopeful that those non-US Ning members who were posting CP on the sites reported in the main post will be dealt with.
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